Woman control (prolife) checklist Posted: 06-05-08 07:27am
1.) Set boundaries for [female] sexual
behavior. But only for women. Example:
"If you don't want a baby, keep your legs
closed!" Ignore all sexual behavior by
men and the fact that even "gentlemen"
won't subscribe to a relationship without
intercourse at some point or another
unless they have a screw on the side.
2.) Set boundaries for when and if it's
appropriate for a woman to like or dislike
a pregnancy. Example: "You had sex
therefore you welcomed it" or "You were
raped, therefore you didn't welcome it".
Nevermind the woman herself and her actual
reasons for having sex or whether she
chose to do so in the first place. It's
either all about the woman's whoring or
it's all about her helplessness as a poor
witless female.
3.) Set up a list of rules that are
impossible for a mere mortal to follow and
burn women at the stake when they fail to
fulfill them. Oh yes, we're to be whores
in the bedrooms and Madonnas in the
kitchen (of course given our present
Madonna it could go either way). Whatever
the case may be our existence is purely to
please the male and bear his children.
He's free to dip his wick in anything in a
skirt but we're to remain virginal until
he comes home and then suddenly become his
prostitute...but we don't get paid for it,
of course.
4.) Criticize women no matter what
reproductive choice they make. Ah yes, an
old favorite. If you don't breed you're
damned, if you do breed you're damned.
I've come to accept that no matter what
you do as a woman, you're going to be
called "selfish". The worst critics are
actually other women. My god, why don't
you mind your own business and worry about
where your own breasts are, instead of
harping other women and either trying to
push them to breed against their will,
breastfeed against their will or not do
either against their will? Seriously,
what is with the women being such pushy
sexist role-pushers with each other these
days?
5.) Decide where you stand and insist that
YOUR threshold is moral, while making
snarky attacks at other moral thresholds.
You call yourself "prochoice" but you're
actually "Pro-MY-choice" and a lot closer
to "pro(fetus)life" than you want to
admit. Special limitation and civil
rights restrictions toward only females
are something you delight in supporting.
Congratulations, you're a prolifer...aka
anti-woman.
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Re: Woman control (prolife) checklist Posted: 06-05-08 09:19am
Darkmoon
wrote:
1.) Set boundaries for
[female] sexual behavior. But only for
women. Example: "If you don't want a
baby, keep your legs closed!" Ignore all
sexual behavior by men and the fact that
even "gentlemen" won't subscribe to a
relationship without intercourse at some
point or another unless they have a screw
on the side.
2.) Set boundaries for when and if it's
appropriate for a woman to like or dislike
a pregnancy. Example: "You had sex
therefore you welcomed it" or "You were
raped, therefore you didn't welcome it".
Nevermind the woman herself and her actual
reasons for having sex or whether she
chose to do so in the first place. It's
either all about the woman's whoring or
it's all about her helplessness as a poor
witless female.
3.) Set up a list of rules that are
impossible for a mere mortal to follow and
burn women at the stake when they fail to
fulfill them. Oh yes, we're to be whores
in the bedrooms and Madonnas in the
kitchen (of course given our present
Madonna it could go either way). Whatever
the case may be our existence is purely to
please the male and bear his children.
He's free to dip his wick in anything in a
skirt but we're to remain virginal until
he comes home and then suddenly become his
prostitute...but we don't get paid for it,
of course.
4.) Criticize women no matter what
reproductive choice they make. Ah yes, an
old favorite. If you don't breed you're
damned, if you do breed you're damned.
I've come to accept that no matter what
you do as a woman, you're going to be
called "selfish". The worst critics are
actually other women. My god, why don't
you mind your own business and worry about
where your own breasts are, instead of
harping other women and either trying to
push them to breed against their will,
breastfeed against their will or not do
either against their will? Seriously,
what is with the women being such pushy
sexist role-pushers with each other these
days?
5.) Decide where you stand and insist that
YOUR threshold is moral, while making
snarky attacks at other moral thresholds.
You call yourself "prochoice" but you're
actually "Pro-MY-choice" and a lot closer
to "pro(fetus)life" than you want to
admit. Special limitation and civil
rights restrictions toward only females
are something you delight in supporting.
Congratulations, you're a prolifer...aka
anti-woman.
Anti-woman? How kind of you. And I bet you
hate to be called pro-abortion. If you
believe pro-lifers are all anti-women,
then maybe you shouldn't be in a debate
group. It sounds like you just want to
rant about pro-lifers and make sarcastic
posts. You don't care what the other side
has to say. So, what are you doing here?
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Posted: 06-05-08 10:45am
Nice
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Re: Woman control (prolife) checklist Posted: 06-05-08 12:02pm
NeutralUsername
wrote:
Darkmoon
wrote:
1.) Set boundaries for
[female] sexual behavior. But only for
women. Example: "If you don't want a
baby, keep your legs closed!" Ignore all
sexual behavior by men and the fact that
even "gentlemen" won't subscribe to a
relationship without intercourse at some
point or another unless they have a screw
on the side.
2.) Set boundaries for when and if it's
appropriate for a woman to like or dislike
a pregnancy. Example: "You had sex
therefore you welcomed it" or "You were
raped, therefore you didn't welcome it".
Nevermind the woman herself and her actual
reasons for having sex or whether she
chose to do so in the first place. It's
either all about the woman's whoring or
it's all about her helplessness as a poor
witless female.
3.) Set up a list of rules that are
impossible for a mere mortal to follow and
burn women at the stake when they fail to
fulfill them. Oh yes, we're to be whores
in the bedrooms and Madonnas in the
kitchen (of course given our present
Madonna it could go either way). Whatever
the case may be our existence is purely to
please the male and bear his children.
He's free to dip his wick in anything in a
skirt but we're to remain virginal until
he comes home and then suddenly become his
prostitute...but we don't get paid for it,
of course.
4.) Criticize women no matter what
reproductive choice they make. Ah yes, an
old favorite. If you don't breed you're
damned, if you do breed you're damned.
I've come to accept that no matter what
you do as a woman, you're going to be
called "selfish". The worst critics are
actually other women. My god, why don't
you mind your own business and worry about
where your own breasts are, instead of
harping other women and either trying to
push them to breed against their will,
breastfeed against their will or not do
either against their will? Seriously,
what is with the women being such pushy
sexist role-pushers with each other these
days?
5.) Decide where you stand and insist that
YOUR threshold is moral, while making
snarky attacks at other moral thresholds.
You call yourself "prochoice" but you're
actually "Pro-MY-choice" and a lot closer
to "pro(fetus)life" than you want to
admit. Special limitation and civil
rights restrictions toward only females
are something you delight in supporting.
Congratulations, you're a prolifer...aka
anti-woman.
Anti-woman? How kind of you. And I bet you
hate to be called pro-abortion. If you
believe pro-lifers are all anti-women,
then maybe you shouldn't be in a debate
group. It sounds like you just want to
rant about pro-lifers and make sarcastic
posts. You don't care what the other side
has to say. So, what are you doing
here?
There was a good point that was made....
If you are pro-life and feel the fetus
should live more so than the mother that
you are anti-woman.......
ALOT OF PRO-LIFE are pro-fetus which means
you are denying the mother right of life
by denying her the quality in which she is
entitled to.
You have a z/e/f and a mother who should
have more rights?
the battle between pro-choice/pro-life is
that a woman with a concious should have
more rights over a z/e/f...
the battles between pro-life/pro-choice is
that the fetus should.
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Posted: 06-05-08 13:54pm
This entire topic isn't appropriate.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 06-05-08 13:59pm
even if you don't agree about the abortion
part, you could at least agree about the
double standards in sexual behavior and
responsibility, right?
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cmyked
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Posted: 06-05-08 14:03pm
I will, if a new topic is made to discuss
that, one which does not attack a group of
people based solely off of their beliefs.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 06-05-08 14:09pm
Hmm... ok, fair enough.
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Re: Woman control (prolife) checklist Posted: 06-05-08 14:13pm
Darkmoon
wrote:
1.) Set boundaries for
[female] sexual behavior. But only for
women. Example: "If you don't want a
baby, keep your legs closed!" Ignore all
sexual behavior by men and the fact that
even "gentlemen" won't subscribe to a
relationship without intercourse at some
point or another unless they have a screw
on the side.
I've heard that countless times.
On here.
Darkmoon
wrote:
2.) Set boundaries for when
and if it's appropriate for a woman to
like or dislike a pregnancy. Example:
"You had sex therefore you welcomed it" or
"You were raped, therefore you didn't
welcome it". Nevermind the woman herself
and her actual reasons for having sex or
whether she chose to do so in the first
place. It's either all about the woman's
whoring or it's all about her helplessness
as a poor witless
female.
I've heard this countless times as well,
on this very forum.
Darkmoon
wrote:
3.) Set up a list of rules
that are impossible for a mere mortal to
follow and burn women at the stake when
they fail to fulfill them. Oh yes, we're
to be whores in the bedrooms and Madonnas
in the kitchen (of course given our
present Madonna it could go either way).
Whatever the case may be our existence is
purely to please the male and bear his
children. He's free to dip his wick in
anything in a skirt but we're to remain
virginal until he comes home and then
suddenly become his prostitute...but we
don't get paid for it, of
course.
This is an accurate representation of many
societal expectations of women.
Darkmoon
wrote:
4.) Criticize women no
matter what reproductive choice they make.
Ah yes, an old favorite. If you don't
breed you're damned, if you do breed
you're damned. I've come to accept that
no matter what you do as a woman, you're
going to be called "selfish". The worst
critics are actually other women. My god,
why don't you mind your own business and
worry about where your own breasts are,
instead of harping other women and either
trying to push them to breed against their
will, breastfeed against their will or not
do either against their will? Seriously,
what is with the women being such pushy
sexist role-pushers with each other these
days?
Brash, but true. I've been told that
since I dislike children and think (well,
KNOW actually) that pregnancy is horrible
for me there is something wrong with me.
Darkmoon
wrote:
5.) Decide where you stand
and insist that YOUR threshold is moral,
while making snarky attacks at other moral
thresholds. You call yourself "prochoice"
but you're actually "Pro-MY-choice" and a
lot closer to "pro(fetus)life" than you
want to admit. Special limitation and
civil rights restrictions toward only
females are something you delight in
supporting. Congratulations, you're a
prolifer...aka
anti-woman.
Brash, but true.
A candid approach to what the side effects
are of pursuing a prolife philosophy.
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Posted: 06-05-08 17:46pm
To be fair I've met some prolifers that
don't make it a point to demonize women
that get unexpectedly pregnant and I have
met some prolifers that place equal blame
on men for unwanted pregnancy. The
problem is there are too few of them. I'm
trying to open some eyes here and point
out the unbalanced standards that the
common prolife mindset holds women to.
I honestly don't think a lot of them even
realize how much contempt they express
toward the female gender. I think it's
almost a subconscious thing with some of
them, something they were trained to think
growing up. Some of them deny having said
anything about restricting women's sex
lives even after being provided with a
direct quote of their own text, which
makes me suspect that half of the most
common arguments are made on auto-pilot.
They seem to feel genuine distaste at the
thought of being seen as sexist but they
keep using arguments that are blatantly
discriminatory against women.
So, I thought I'd make a list here and
point it out in the hopes of raising some
awareness. Those who are offended should
think long and hard over why they find it
offensive. Getting offended that it's
been pointed out won't change the fact
that so many prolife arguments are rooted
in the regulation and control of women's
private lives. Don't tell me to be silent
over an injustice. Sexism directly
affects me and I can and will expose it
when I see it.
P.S. Oh, and by the way, this topic was
inspired by a prolifer that came in here
and started a topic with the statement
"Maybe you women should stop whoring
around." I'm inappropriate for speaking
out against misogyny? Please.
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Posted: 06-05-08 20:24pm
Darkmoon, you always say what I'm
thinking!! You just put it to words
perfectly.
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Posted: 06-05-08 23:34pm
Same here.
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Posted: 06-07-08 01:31am
On a side note that's somewhat related, I
again asked about voluntary sterilization
with my last visit to the doctor (I chose
a different doctor this time). Again I
was told that as a female I'm just bound
to change my mind despite my medical
history and vehement proclamations of
being child free. I'm thirty-four.
The simple truth of the matter is that
society does not WANT women to have
control over their own reproductive
destiny. Promoting "prolife" policies and
attitudes only hurts women and perpetuates
a cycle of gender bias that should have
been eliminated long ago.
I'm constantly hearing about how humans
are superior to other animals because of
the ability to think beyond mere instinct,
but so far I'm seeing a very basic desire
to reproduce enslaving all of us. Even
those that want no part of this biological
urge are forced by those that do to risk
it because they feel that females MUST
breed at all costs. My husband, if he
were brave enough to do it, could get a
vasectomy without question but I am
expected to have children or risk unwanted
pregnancy several times before I'm
"allowed" to.
Sexist. Misogynistic. Anti-woman. When
you promote special restrictions based on
gender and trivialize the wishes and
choices of women, you are practicing the
loathsome characteristics of all three of
these things.
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Posted: 06-07-08 10:27am
Darkmoon
wrote:
On a side note that's
somewhat related, I again asked about
voluntary sterilization with my last visit
to the doctor (I chose a different doctor
this time). Again I was told that as a
female I'm just bound to change my mind
despite my medical history and vehement
proclamations of being child free. I'm
thirty-four.
I would blow my top.
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Posted: 06-07-08 11:43am
On the flip side there are women who have
regretted their sterilizations, and they
make a huge fuss and blame the medical
community! They remind me of women who
regret their abortions and blame the
legality of abortion.
Blame anyone else but don't take
responsibility for your own actions.
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Posted: 06-07-08 16:56pm
I'd sign a disclaimer in a second if it
meant I could finally be safe.
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Posted: 06-08-08 09:00am
Very well put DM. I see nothing
'inappropriate' in this topic cymked, if
you don't like it.. don't read it.
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Posted: 06-08-08 10:42am
Jincks013
wrote:
Very well put DM. I see
nothing 'inappropriate' in this topic
cymked, if you don't like it.. don't read
it.
It is inappropriate because it is
attacking a group of people based solely
off of their beliefs. It is insulting to
pro-lifers. If this were a racist topic it
would have been deleted in a second, but
on this forum, bashing pro-lifers seems
like an acceptable pass-time. You people
worship posters who are best at being
snarky and mean to pro-lifers, who
joyously denounce religion, and who have
no respect for the other side of the
debate.
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Posted: 06-08-08 10:58am
I think this topic is perfectly
acceptable; I would welcome a similar
thread against pro-choicers too. The
difference between this kind of topic and
a racist one is that you don't choose your
skin colour; you can choose you beliefs.
If anyone disagrees with this topic
remaining then please pm admin.
Otherwise, it stays.
