Being pregnant 7 times is
easy provided your birth control method is
not working.
Do you mean getting pregnant or being
pregnant??
Being pregnant wasn't eay for me so I
can't imagine it would be easy another 4
times, if you meant getting pregnant is
easy then tell that to someone who has
been TTCing for months or years
Of course not for everybody is going to be
easy getting pregnant. But most people
don't have fertility issues. For me it
would be very easy to be pregnant 7 times.
And so is for most healthy women.
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Moo
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Posted: 07-22-08 09:54am
nightangel73
wrote:
Moo
wrote:
Condoms, used correctly, not breaking,
aren't 100% effective (about 97%).
Nothing is.
then it means that semen can traspass the
condoms. There is no way you can get
pregnant with no semen. There is got to be
semen and there's got to be an
egg.
Given that I am educated in basic biology
and have been pregnant three times I'm
perfectly aware of what it takes to get
pregnant.
If you have an issue with the statistics
take it up with durex
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Dannzibelle
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Posted: 07-22-08 14:51pm
Birch
wrote:
Hey Danni, sorry if you've
said this somewhere already, but what made
you decide not to have an abortion? (I'm
not saying you should have or anything,
just curious what went into your
decision.)
At that point i was pro life so obviously
that came into it. I just knew that i
would regret it, maybe not straight away
but in the future and i wouldn't be able
to live with the regret. I don't know how
to explain it really i just knew that
keeping our baby was the right decision
for us.
I have no issue with women making their
own choices, but I do think that if your
birth control isnt working and you keep
getting pregnant then you should look into
another form of BC so as to not have to
keep getting abortions. It just doesnt
make sence to me to use that as your form
of BC. No I wouldnt wish those 7 unwanted
pregnancies on her, but you would think
that after oh say the 2nd unwanted
pregnancy, she might try really really
hard to do her absolute best to prevent
those unwanted pregnancies.
I know someone who was on her 8th abortion
and had no quams about it. I am
personally disgusted with her, but that is
MY personal opinion of it. I still have
the utmost for her decision and would
NEVER try to talk her out of her decision
or judge her for what she has done. I
judge her in my own head, but never to
anyone else.
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Cambion
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Posted: 07-28-08 23:57pm
I don't care personally if a woman has one
abortion or a dozen - I say good for her
for being smart enough to realize when she
could not support or properly care for a
child. Way too many women birth babies
that they can't take care of and then it's
the kids that pay the piper for their
parents' idiocy. Some women want to use
abortion as their sole form of BC and if
that's what they want, then I say go for
it, ladies.
I do think she should have looked into
temporary sterilization - permenant seemed
to be out of the question since she did
want a child someday. Even then, why
adoption could not have been considered
eludes me...I guess a child isn't really a
child if it's not your own flesh and blood
offspring. Oh well. To each their own. I
don't tihnk it would have hurt if she
invested in a diaphragm or an IUD along
with the condoms and the BC.
I think the biggest kick in the teeth is
that the one baby she DID keep - of all
the sperm and potential babies she had in
her - was disabled. I bet she's kicking
herself for picking that pregnancy to
keep, whether or not she loves her baby.
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Few
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Posted: 08-07-08 00:00am
aochriss
wrote:
Gu£st
wrote:
I havent read the link, just
the title of this thread, but i believe i
can offer an opinion just based on that.
Denial is often a way for someone to try
to live with the emotional pain of
abortion. Once she accepts her wrong doing
all she will be left with is pain,
emptyness perhaps even clinical
depression, at least by denying her regret
she can try to reassure herself "it was
for the best" she may not admit it but she
will probably already be dealing with the
pain of abortion, her self reassurance of
"it was for the best" is her last refuge
from complete
collapse.
Well then every woman on the planet who
has had sex should feel the same way,
since they all have had multiple abortions
caused by nature, their own actions, the
environment, etc.,
etc.
you actually expect people to
believe that death from natural causes is
no different than death at the hands of
some homicidal maniac?
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 08-07-08 07:15am
Few
wrote:
you actually expect people to believe that
death from natural causes is no different
than death at the hands of some homicidal
maniac?
You mean like anti-abortion zealots who
think it's okay to kill doctors and bomb
clinics?
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Birch
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Posted: 08-07-08 10:55am
Few
wrote:
you actually expect people
to believe that death from natural causes
is no different than death at the hands of
some homicidal
maniac?
Why? It's still death.
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aochriss
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Posted: 08-07-08 10:58am
Few
wrote:
aochriss
wrote:
Gu£st
wrote:
I havent read the link, just
the title of this thread, but i believe i
can offer an opinion just based on that.
Denial is often a way for someone to try
to live with the emotional pain of
abortion. Once she accepts her wrong doing
all she will be left with is pain,
emptyness perhaps even clinical
depression, at least by denying her regret
she can try to reassure herself "it was
for the best" she may not admit it but she
will probably already be dealing with the
pain of abortion, her self reassurance of
"it was for the best" is her last refuge
from complete
collapse.
Well then every woman on the planet who
has had sex should feel the same way,
since they all have had multiple abortions
caused by nature, their own actions, the
environment, etc.,
etc.
you actually expect people to
believe that death from natural causes is
no different than death at the hands of
some homicidal
maniac?
First, are you calling women who have
aborted pregnancies, homicidal maniacs?
Second, there is no difference to the
embryo regarding what causes it to be
aborted, be it nature or otherwise.
Prolifers don't care about the death of
the embryo, they only care about the
manner in which it was aborted, i.e., they
only care about the actions of the woman.
That is why the pro-life movement is
viewed as a woman-hating entity, and not a
"baby-saving" one.
If the pl'ers were really into
"baby-saving", they'd be demanding that
government fund research to find the cause
of death of the millions of embryos
spontaneously aborted every year, because
that number is much higher than the number
of embryos lost to clinical abortion.
They'd also be trying to save the almost
15 million born, real, actual, suffering
children under 5 who die from starvation
and it's related illnesses every year.
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Few
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Posted: 08-07-08 16:12pm
aochriss
wrote:
Few
wrote:
aochriss
wrote:
Gu£st
wrote:
I havent read the link, just
the title of this thread, but i believe i
can offer an opinion just based on that.
Denial is often a way for someone to try
to live with the emotional pain of
abortion. Once she accepts her wrong doing
all she will be left with is pain,
emptyness perhaps even clinical
depression, at least by denying her regret
she can try to reassure herself "it was
for the best" she may not admit it but she
will probably already be dealing with the
pain of abortion, her self reassurance of
"it was for the best" is her last refuge
from complete
collapse.
Well then every woman on the planet who
has had sex should feel the same way,
since they all have had multiple abortions
caused by nature, their own actions, the
environment, etc.,
etc.
you actually expect people to
believe that death from natural causes is
no different than death at the hands of
some homicidal
maniac?
First, are you calling women who have
aborted pregnancies, homicidal maniacs?
Second, there is no difference to the
embryo regarding what causes it to be
aborted, be it nature or otherwise.
Prolifers don't care about the death of
the embryo, they only care about the
manner in which it was aborted, i.e., they
only care about the actions of the woman.
That is why the pro-life movement is
viewed as a woman-hating entity, and not a
"baby-saving" one.
If the pl'ers were really into
"baby-saving", they'd be demanding that
government fund research to find the cause
of death of the millions of embryos
spontaneously aborted every year, because
that number is much higher than the number
of embryos lost to clinical abortion.
They'd also be trying to save the almost
15 million born, real, actual, suffering
children under 5 who die from starvation
and it's related illnesses every
year.
you actually expect people to
believe that death from natural causes is
no different than death from some
homicidal maniac? and yes i believe seven
cold blooded brutal slayings qualifies a
person as a homicidal maniac. and why are
you trying to cloud the abortion issue
with irrelavent statistics about starving
people and miscarriages?
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 08-07-08 16:18pm
Because pro-life shouldn't only be about
unborn children. It's amazing that once a
child is born, you people don't seem to
care about them anymore. Irrelevant...
nice choice of words.
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Few
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Posted: 08-07-08 19:29pm
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
Because pro-life shouldn't
only be about unborn children. It's
amazing that once a child is born, you
people don't seem to care about them
anymore. Irrelevant... nice choice of
words.
but this is an
abortion debate and you are attempting to
create a quagmire by bringing unrelated
issues into the debate.
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 08-07-08 19:40pm
It's not unrelated. Once the baby is born,
its living conditions are critical. It
might grow up in poverty, suffer abuse or
neglect at the hands of its parents, go
into foster care for years, or DIE.
Pro-choice recognizes this. Instead of
only caring about unborn children who are
most often aborted before they are aware
or able to feel pain, why not look outside
the woman's uterus at the millions of
children already here who are suffering?
You say it's unrelated, but it's not.
You're obviously not pro-life... only
pro-fetus. That's sad.
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Few
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Posted: 08-07-08 20:01pm
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
It's not unrelated. Once the
baby is born, its living conditions are
critical. It might grow up in poverty,
suffer abuse or neglect at the hands of
its parents, go into foster care for
years, or DIE. Pro-choice recognizes this.
Instead of only caring about unborn
children who are most often aborted before
they are aware or able to feel pain, why
not look outside the woman's uterus at the
millions of children already here who are
suffering? You say it's unrelated, but
it's not. You're obviously not pro-life...
only pro-fetus. That's
sad.
killing people because
they might have problems during their
life? you actually expect intelligent
people with a sense of morality to agree
with that?
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 08-07-08 20:09pm
I do, actually. Ask yourself what's worse:
a woman aborting a 6 week old embryo
that's unable to feel pain or fear, or a
woman giving birth in a bathroom and
allowing her newborn to drown in a toilet?
The newborn can feel pain and, on an
instinctual level, fear. It's aware when
it's drowning. An embryo is unaware of the
abortion. Both die - one suffers.
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 08-07-08 20:21pm
And one more question: why does pro-life
not care about the suffering of children?
You're so desperate for them to live, and
yet don't care HOW they live. Do you give
a second thought to the child once it's
out of the mother's uterus? I'm guessing
you don't, otherwise you wouldn't have
labeled their struggles as irrelevant.
Does quality of life mean nothing to you?
If I were pro-life, I think it would
bother me to know that a pro-choicer cared
more about life than I did. There's much
more to life than fetuses, so much more.
They deserve more than just the ability to
breathe - I'm sorry you don't see that.
I do, actually. Ask yourself
what's worse: a woman aborting a 6 week
old embryo that's unable to feel pain or
fear, or a woman giving birth in a
bathroom and allowing her newborn to drown
in a toilet? The newborn can feel pain
and, on an instinctual level, fear. It's
aware when it's drowning. An embryo is
unaware of the abortion. Both die - one
suffers.
you are not able to predict the future
and you have absolutely no idea what will
become of an unborn child after it is
born. you are using any excuse to justify
the astrocity of abortion.
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Birch
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Posted: 08-08-08 00:08am
Few, personal attacks will be reported.
Rebut the opinion, not the poster.
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Few
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Posted: 08-08-08 01:26am
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
And one more question: why
does pro-life not care about the suffering
of children? You're so desperate for them
to live, and yet don't care HOW they live.
Do you give a second thought to the child
once it's out of the mother's uterus? I'm
guessing you don't, otherwise you wouldn't
have labeled their struggles as
irrelevant. Does quality of life mean
nothing to you?
If I were pro-life, I think it would
bother me to know that a pro-choicer cared
more about life than I did. There's much
more to life than fetuses, so much more.
They deserve more than just the ability to
breathe - I'm sorry you don't see
that.
speak
for yourself. who are you to decide who
should live or die?nobody aborted you and
you seem to want to remain alive. what is
it that makes you think that you are so
much better than everyone else?
